My evangelism post from last week has brought out two groups of people: Those who wisely realize the truth of my reasoning and Biblical exegesis and those who are wrong.
Since those who are wrong tend to have similar thoughts, I decided to address them in this post so more people get to share in the marshmallowy goodness that is my reply.
First we have Bill. Bill has played here before and he was saying idiotic things. Bill seems to be coming around, however, and his stupid level on comments has decreased somewhat.
Here is what Bill had to say:
So, if I understand correctly, you’re saying that Jesus’ command to the 11 in Matthew 28:19-20 to teach others to “obey everything I have commanded you,” meant to teach obedience to all the commands except making disciples? Or is it that the next generation was responsible for making disciples, but not to teach obedience to the following generation?
Ah, Bill, you are in error for two reasons:
- You are ignorant of the scriptures
- You lack the reasoning ability to see not every command to the Apostles is a command to all followers of Christ
I don’t blame you, I blame your mother.
She probably taught you from the time you were a tot that Big Bible God will smite you if you don’t do exactly what He says to do. Kind of like the child of a child abuser: If you screw up–even unintentionally–you’re gettin’ beat and it’s all your fault.
I also blame her because she took you to that fundamentalist church. Southern Baptist wasn’t it? They started your guilt parade. More on this in a minute.
While you may try to make this verse teach everyone has the responsibility to be an evangelist, other verses clearly teach not everyone is to be an evangelist. Take, for example, the inerrant Pauline verses in Ephesians 4:
11It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
“Some” not “all” not even “most”.
At this point some will argue: “But that refers to the OFFICE of the evangelist, not the command for every Christian to evangelize.” Just exactly where does scripture teach this oft-repeated doctrine? Let me know when you come up with that reference Will.I.Am.
But Bill I will give you this: At least you phrased your assertion as a question. Special bonus Jeopardy points for you.
Now let’s move on to our next guilt monger: The8thMan. Because there is so much crazy in his posts, I will print them in their entirety with my comments inserted.
WC, our love is contaminated, but God’s word is pure.
OK, first off, I’ve got to stop you there. My redhead and I were both virgins when we wed and neither of us has an STD. My love is NOT contaminated. Your love may require some penicillin or Valtrex, but not mine. From now on (until you get treatment) tell people YOUR love is contaminated.
If anyone thinks that their attempt to “love somebody into the kingdom” can replace the work of the Holy Spirit, through the preaching of the word.. than they are saying that they have more influence on somebody than the Spirit of God.
No, they are saying the Love Christ showed them teaches them to love one another. Ever read I John? It’s a good book from the Good Book. We love because He first loved us. This is how we know what love is…like Prego, it’s in there.
God’s word does not return void. My words will fall to the ground, but His words endure forever, as does His love. It’s okay if don’t use a verse in it’s entirety. We paraphrase the Word of God or use part of a scripture that applies… but let’s use it, because that’s what separates our love from others… we can back it up with truth of scripture.
Have you ever heard of circular reasoning? Or even a circle? Let me see if I understand your argument correctly:
God’s Word is true because it says so. God’s Word will not return void (which is an archaic way of saying things–Isaiah is turning over in his grave.) Therefore God’s Word is how we should share the Gospel.
Worse yet, it’s not just what you see as written–it’s how you personally interpret God’s Word.
Here is a reality check: The vast majority of non-Christians do not accept the Bible as truth. When you start using archaic language from the Bible, which they believe is an ancient myth, they are amused, annoyed or just don’t listen. Any more than you accept those who religion is based on the teachings of the Buddha, Ellen White, Joseph Smith or Mohammed.
We love because Jesus first loved us. It was God’s kindness that led us to repentance.
What love do we have to offer them? God’s love was already demonstrated to them by Jesus Christ dying on the cross. Why did He do that? Because they would perish and face eternity in hell.
The Christian story has become so commonplace we often fail to realize just how unappealing it seems to non-Christians.
Here is a cartoon I found. It deletes the “Christian language” from the Gospel and presents it as it would appear using neutral language (click for full size):
Found here.
Non-Christians see the Christian Gospel as another ancient myth. In my experience–after almost 20 years as a pastor and 30 years as a Christian–people are much more open and inquisitive when you love them.
And for everyone reading this… if you are not sharing your faith, than you should feel guilty.
Ah, now we get it. You are driven by guilt. If you are touching yourself, then you should feel guilty.
Now… should it be that guilt that drives you to evangelize? No. But rather, it should be your love for the Lord and the compassion that you have towards others. You want to see them soundly saved and not face the vengeance of God on Judgment Day.
Is it just me or does anyone else see a problem with the heritage of our faith when we exalt sermons like “Sinners in the Hand of an Angry God”? When John Calvin tortured and killed heretics I guess he was being very Christ-like, right?
I don’t understand the judgment nor do I understand God. Anyone who claims to understand God is lying, is deluded or both. I do read and understand the Bible, but I also understand it was penned by men who “saw through a glass darkly.” There is a strong case to make–even if one is a literalist–for annihilation of “wicked”. Some even teach there is no resurrection for the “wicked”.
Don’t believe the lie… that it takes months and years to build a strong enough relationship to share your faith.
Wow, you get it. Good for you.
We don’t know if we have that much time. Their day of appointment could be tomorrow.
Which is up to God, right? I mean, in your theology, evangelism success is up to God. Do you believe God is both powerful enough and wise enough to provide Christians in a sinner’s life who can show him love years before he dies? Or do you believe it is up to us to witness to all we see because they could die tomorrow?
If you do believe you should witness most urgently to those about to die, how much time are you spending in the ICU? Aren’t those the people in the most immanent danger of hell? Should you do whatever it takes to get them the Gospel?
I was able to share the gospel with the pizza guy yesterday.
“Sharing the Gospel” and sharing Christ are two very different things. Anybody want to take bets on the reaction the other Domino’s guys had when the delivery guy related his experience with 8thMan to his workmates? Anyone think he may have thought 8th was a religious wacko?
Faith comes by hearing, and hearing the Word of God. (Romans 10:17)
True. In context. Faith comes by hearing the Word of God. And in context what is the “Word” Paul is speaking of? And who is speaking this Word?
Romans 10
14How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15And how can they preach unless they are sent?
Ok so this passage is about how PREACHERS (in this case those who preach an evangelistic message) share the Gospel. It says nothing to “regular” Christians other than encouraging them to send out others to preach the Gospel. Which makes my point.
Many times we stall our preaching, because we don’t know how. What helped me get greatly equipped for the word of evangelism is a ministry called, The Way of the Master. You can check it out at www.wayofthemaster.com.
You are kidding, right? I mean, you are here trolling for angry responses, right? I mean I didn’t just see a video of television star Kirk Cameron telling a so-called “gang member” he would give the guy $20 if he would just listen the his Gospel message, right?
Heck, I’ll be happy to watch the video 10 times a day if Kirk will send me $200/day.
In another comment, 8thGuy goes on to show more Biblical ignorance:
Total Tranny,
Relational evangelism gets my vote.
Or you could always go with the old standard, jumping out of an alley or some bushes and yelling, “Do you know my friend Jesus?”
That’s not biblical evangelism either. But better to jump out of an alley and tell them about Jesus, than to say nothing at all.
And if you open up your trench coat it can give them a cheap thrill as well.
Don’t think that you are above what the apostles did and many of those saints who went before us. There is no bible verse to back up relationship evangelism.
Um, let’s see.
- Mary shares with Elizabeth (Luke 1:39-56, Includes Catchy Toon)
- Andrew tells his brother Simon (John 1:41-42)
- Philip tells his friend Nathanael (John 1:43-45)
- The Woman at the Well tells her friends (John 4:39-42)
- Mary tells Peter and John (John 20:1-2)
- Two disciples Share with the 11 (Luke 24:33-35)
Most of the New Testament history we have is based on the preaching ministry of Paul (early Acts also includes other evangelists, but the majority of the NT is about the preaching ministry of Paul), but the example and instruction we have is that:
- Not Everyone is Called to Preach
- Where we do see Individuals, They Share with Their Friends
I will not apologize if the Biblical methods of evangelism aren’t cool enough for you. In the time that it takes for you to build one relationship, the gospel can be shared to hundreds if not thousands. Don’t trust in you own methods, but trust in the Word of God.
What is the example of preaching the Gospel? Let’s see…
The group of believers sends out preachers to share the Gospel. Those preachers go to JEWISH SYNOGOGUES on the Sabbath and tell them about Christ. If the Jews don’t respond, they find forums where groups of Gentiles gather and share the Gospel. The message is accompanied by miraculous signs that demonstrate the power of God and of the Gospel.
Tell me 8thGuy, when was the last time you preached in a synagogue? Yeah, I thought so. You aren’t concerned with the Biblical model, you are concerned with your notion of the Biblical model. Huge difference.
8thGuy, you believe the Bible to be inerrant. Why not study it? Why not use it as the exact pattern for evangelism today? I’ll bet you’ll make Fox News for getting kicked out of a synagogue–PRAISE JESUS!
October 5, 2007 at 10:46 am
Hey, now! i don’t fall into either of those groups of people…and i commented.
*le sniff*
elise
October 5, 2007 at 11:39 am
Nice post, Dubya Cee!
October 5, 2007 at 1:10 pm
What, no praise for the guys who jumps out at your from the alley?
This happened to me NUMEROUS times back in undergrad. I always wanted to think up a witty reply to the “do you know my friend Jesus” question, but never could.
Best I ever came up with was something to the effect of, “Know him? We just had dinner last night.” Yeah, I know, not all that funny.
October 5, 2007 at 2:29 pm
I think I may be visited soon by someone sharing their version of religion. My wife passed them as she was leaving for work and let me know the chance existed. I think they are the kind that go in pairs, young men in short sleeved white shirts and ties, maybe on bicycles. If the kids weren’t here with me I’d already be naked and watching for them out the kitchen window. Maybe I should make a ketchup stigmata.
And thank you so much for the explanation of Christianity. I knew there was a zombie in there somewhere along with the alien insemination. I’m stealing it from where you stole it from, possibly to blog, possibly to put on Myspace if they don’t decide it’s too offensive.
October 7, 2007 at 2:24 pm
bravo. handled superbly. i hope i never end up in your crosshairs…
October 7, 2007 at 5:26 pm
Before I give my defense, your blog is erroneous in title and contrary to scripture. For God’s Church (Big-C) will be presented unto Him as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. (Eph 5:27)
The church that your are speaking of is church (little-c). That is made up of man-made buildings that do not worship God in Spirit and in Truth. Those who are of the “emergent (c)hurch will fall into that category and will face the judgment of God. So if you fall into that category, you must repent or you will likewise perish.
So by default, you are a blasphemer and you do not see the Bride of Christ as something to be valued and esteemed.
1. Brother Bill. Although I have not “played” on your blog before, I thought that my comment was done with the purpose of edifying Brother Bill. And yes, God will “smite” us if we do not do exactly what He says. He says to be perfect as His father in heaven was perfect (Matthew 5:48). But praise God for Jesus Christ, because he was “smitten” for my transgressions (Isaiah 53:5). So now through my faith in His finished work on the cross, I will not face the judgment of God, but I will be found perfect (Ephesians 5:27), because I am “clothed in the righteousness of Jesus Christ”. That is the message that we are to go out and proclaim from the rooftops. (Matthew 10:27)
2. Evangelism is a command. For him to know the good that he ought to do and not do it is sin. (James 4:17) What greater good can you do than to share the Gospel message of Jesus Christ with those who will perish and go to Hell.
3. Love is contaminated. WC, are you saying that the sex that you had with your wife is greater than the love that God has for your wife? You are not speaking of the “agape” love of God, but rather the “phileo” love of man. “Phileo” love is lacking and is conditional, but God’s “agape” love is pure and unconditional.
John 15:12-13 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
WC, have you laid down your life for your friends. Apparently not because you are still living today. Therefore your love is contaminated, because there is still self-preservation involved. Which is why I said that God’s Word is pure.
4. We love because He first loved us. “The Love one another” is referring to the disciples. By this all men shall know you are my disciples, by your love for one another. (John 13:35) You are demonstrating your love for one another by calling the Bride Of Christ a whore. That is not love and therefor man cannot see you as a disciple. God demonstrated His love towards us in while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:8) Christ showed His love for you, by dying on a cross, so that you could escape the vengeance of God. That is the love that we should share towards others, because we care deeply about their soul.
5. Just because they don’t believe in the Bible does not mean that God’s Word will be of no effect. God is the one that said it. (Isaiah 55:9-11) So for you to say anything otherwise is to call God a liar. Use your Message Translation if you want, but use the Word. We are called to Sow the seed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and God will bring the harvest.
6. The Cross is unappealing. So in your 30 years of pastoring you are going to say that you have acquired more knowledge than the Apostle Paul. Paul set out to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:17-23) The cross is foolishness to them that perish. No man comes to the Son unless the Father draws Him. (John 6:44) Salvation is of the Lord, not of your love. (Jonah 2:9)
7. Driven by guilt. ( Lewd comment aside) Paul understood that the sorrow that the church of Cornith felt was only for a while. But he rejoiced because there sorrow was a godly sorrow, that led to repentance, which produced Salvation (2 Corinthians 8-12). Again… to know the good that you ought to do and not do it is sin. You must repent. You should also feel guilty because of your impure thoughts, but not because it is upsetting to me, but more so because God is offended by them. Godly sorrow, not worldly sorrow.
8. “I don’t understand the judgment nor do I understand God. Anyone who claims to understand God is lying, is deluded or both. I do read and understand the Bible, but I also understand it was penned by men who “saw through a glass darkly.” There is a strong case to make–even if one is a literalist–for annihilation of “wicked”. Some even teach there is no resurrection for the “wicked”.
I would have to agree… you do not understand God. Do I understand His ways… no, but I know Him because He has revealed Himself to us in scripture. You are a heretic if you think that God’s Word is erroneous because it was written by man. Because the Bible says that His word is Holy and perfect. The wicked will be resurrected and they will experience the lake of fire, which is the second death. (Revelation 20:15)
8. “Sharing the Gospel” and sharing Christ are two very different things.”
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God… and the Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us. (John 1:;14) Is the Gospel not the Word. And therefore would the Gospel not be Jesus Christ.
9. “If you do believe you should witness most urgently to those about to die, how much time are you spending in the ICU? Aren’t those the people in the most immanent danger of hell?” Absolutely, which is why we have a hospital ministry. They are in danger of going to hell if they have not repented and put their faith and trust in Jesus Christ. (Matthew 25:37-40)
10. “Anybody want to take bets on the reaction the other Domino’s guys had when the delivery guy related his experience with 8thMan to his workmates? Anyone think he may have thought 8th was a religious wacko?”
11.”And in context what is the “Word” Paul is speaking of? And who is speaking this Word?” In context, the Gospel of Peace (Romans 10;15)
12. Gambling is a sin, pastor. The pizza guy greatly rejoiced and went home and shared what he learned with his mother-in-law. He came back to my place again (to deliver another pizza this week) and I shared with me all that happened. I gave him some more literature to help him and his mother-in-law grow in the faith. His thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways My ways, says the Lord. (Isaiah 55:8)
13. It says nothing to “regular” Christians other than encouraging them to send out others to preach the Gospel. No, Romans 10:12 is stating a fact, in question form. How shall they hear without a preacher. You can’t hear something, if nobody is there to tell it to you. Secondly, it is for all Christians (because we are all “regular” christians) who want their feet to be beautiful in the eyes of God. “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace.”
14. “You are kidding, right? I mean, you are here trolling for angry responses, right? I mean I didn’t just see a video of television star Kirk Cameron telling a so-called “gang member” he would give the guy $20 if he would just listen the his Gospel message, right?”
“No greater love than a man has than this that he would lay down his life for his friend.” Kirk Cameron, laid out $20 bucks because he loves those gang members so much that he would be willing to pay them to hear the message of salvation.” What value is money, compared to a soul soundly saved. I’m sure Kirk would give you $200, because you need to hear the Gospel message ten times.
15. Again, repent for your wicked and immoral thoughts.
Relationship Evangelism…. WC, your scriptures speaks of a relationships already established. Not relationships that they have purposely established to share the gospel. Furthermore, you contradict yourself because in these verses we don’t see disciples loving on their friends and family, but they love on them, but they pointed them to the Jesus Christ. And that is what we should be doing too.
16. “Tell me 8thGuy, when was the last time you preached in a synagogue? Yeah, I thought so. You aren’t concerned with the Biblical model, you are concerned with your notion of the Biblical model. Huge difference.”
The synagogue is where the sinners congregated. Salvation came to the Jews first then to the Gentiles. That is why they went into the synagogues, to preach Christ to the Jewish believers. Not only that, but in that custom privilege to speak was granted for anyone who had a Word for the Lord. That is when Paul and the disciples who speak of Christ.
Matthew 10 and in Luke 10, Jesus sends out the disciples on two different occasions, to go two by two to different villages.
Jesus spoke to the women at the well (a common place where people gather)
John the Baptist preached in the wilderness (Matthew 3)
Jesus began to preach “Repent for the kingdom of heaven is near”- location not specified. (Matthew 4:17)
Jesus preached on the beach (Matthew 4:18-22)
Jesus preached in his own city (Matthew 9)
Jesus even said to the disciples… Whatever I tell you in the dark, speak in the light; and what you hear in the ear, preach on the housetops. (Matt 10:27)
He also tells them to confess Christ before men (plural) (Matthew 10:32)
Jesus preaches to the cities and rebukes them (Matthew 11:20)
Jesus talking to the multitudes again (Matthew 13:46)
Jesus preached by the sea (Matthew 13:1)
The list goes on an on.
I think I have provided enough scripture to show that your premise is un-biblicale and that you have not studied the scriptures to show yourself approved unto God, as a worker who needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth.
As a pastor, you should be ashamed of your title of this blog and of the blasphemy that you have committed. Your language is vulgar and your thoughts are impure.
The Bible speaks of you in Acts 20:29-32 when it says, “For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from amon yourselves men will rise up, speakeing pervers things, to draw away the disciples after themselves. Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.”
And also in 2 Timothy 3:1-5 “But know this that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!”
“8thGuy, you believe the Bible to be inerrant. Why not study it? Why not use it as the exact pattern for evangelism today? I’ll bet you’ll make Fox News for getting kicked out of a synagogue–PRAISE JESUS!”
“These things I have spoken to you so that you may be kept from stumbling. They will make you outcasts from the synagogue, but an hour is coming for everyone who kills you to think that he is offering service to God. These things they will do because they have not known the Father or Me. (John 16:1-3)
WC,
You are right in saying that you do not understand God. How can you understand Him when you do not know Him?
Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
October 7, 2007 at 6:05 pm
8thman,
Thanks for your well-considered, if lengthy, reply. My just as well thought out reply is just as informative:
“I’m rubber and you’re glue. Anything you say bounces off me and sticks to you.”
Updated: OK, I will give you the fact you did take time to make a reply. A wrong reply in many ways, but you took time none the less. I will address it rather than leave you thinking you made some sense. I am so busy with prayer and Bible study right now I will probably not get to it until tomorrow.
And when you call me blasphemer it just makes me feel warm all over.
October 7, 2007 at 7:17 pm
WC,
Please read.
James 1:18-26.
For the word of God is quick and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Hebrews 4:12.
Your church, the pastor and congregation I pray are not whores (Proverbs 2:16-18).
I pray that neither would you be bastards (Deut 23:2)
for then would Jesus be talking to you in John 8:44
“Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”
Christ was born of a virgin. His Bride will be virgin because God will not break His commandment “Thou shalt not commit adultery.” I pray that you are not whores for then God will have not part with you but rather all whoremongers have their place in the Lake which burns with fire. (Rev 21:8)
Please repent and be saved for the kingdom of God is at hand.
October 7, 2007 at 7:20 pm
Wow, I’ve stirred the condemnation pot today, huh? Dosson, once I get done with the virgin baby sacrifice this evening I will address this tomorrow.
Sorry, but evil never rests.
October 7, 2007 at 7:46 pm
would you like me to add you to my growing list of heretics? it would be my pleasure. since my name is the most recent addition to the list, it would be nice to have someone listed beneath me as a newer addition.
anyone else want on the list?
October 7, 2007 at 8:38 pm
If by your definition I am a heretic then please add me. It’s your definition and your list. If you have specific criteria you can ask me and I will answer you honestly.
October 8, 2007 at 7:34 pm
@wc – one of the most interesting things i noted the body of your post itself was 8thman’s belief that our love is inadequate for witness, yet turns around and claims that our love should be the touchstone that sends us out. (apologies for the length)
@revolutionfl – ooh, ooh, ooh – i want on that list.
@dosson – erm, wasn’t yeshua’s church made up of prostitutes? isn’t that who he went out and mingled with, spoke with, touched? they were his congregation along with thieves and murderers and serial-monogamistic samaritans.
as for bastardy, why would one NOT wish this state? for god promised to be a father to the fatherless.
@8thman-i like the imagery of the church as god’s bride. as a man however, marrying another man (yeshua) seems a bit contrary if god really does consider homosexuality such a grand abomination
now, i’m sure you’ll holler *figurative* language at me, yet you use it so literally yourself. fact is a marriage isn’t consummated until the sex has been done and had. and an unconsummated marriage is void
and, erm, you do know all that big-C/little-c; big-G/little-g mess you are spouting does not at all appear in the original languages, no?
as for the emergent church [that traditionalists are so worked up about] facing the judgment – first of all EVERY SINGLE PERSON will face the judgment according to scripture. if you are not in the lamb’s book of life you are slated for judgment and none of your other works will be considered.
if you ARE in that book, however, then they open all the other books on you. so, actually, it is the christians who will face the more complete judgment. it is they who will face the trial by fire . . . rather than the lake of fire?
i often wonder if they aren’t one and the same and only the final outcome, the power of that fire over the soul, differentiates us?
and near as i can tell, the emergent church is greatly looking forward to that day.
i see a lot of fear and trembling elsewhere.
for a people fitted with the promise of heaven, christians as a whole seem awfully afraid to die. the american flavored christians, in any case.
i’ll tell you how i see the *emergent* church.
out doing instead of sleeping in a pew before waking to descend like locusts on the local *all you can eat buffet* like i see traditionalists doing.
i’m going to let WC handle the rest of your post rather than rake up all his real estate.
but i always question someone who has no use for experiential witness. folk like that tend to cling to the scriptures like mold on old bread. otherwise they might actually have to go out and DO something.
maybe even actually accidentally experience god.
and as a point of interest, god is still god whether i capitalize his g or not.
October 8, 2007 at 7:35 pm
you definitely stirred the pot today, WC.
good post, though.
October 9, 2007 at 9:33 am
Your original post was in my head on Sunday when, at my very conservative church, two guests spoke about the importance of developing relationships with people and earning the right to be heard, and then letting these beloved friends discover the love of Christ in you as displayed by your actions. One is a missionary in Spain, and the other in Argentina where it culturally insensitive to discuss something as significant as faith with people before first earning their trust. What seems to be missing in all of this discussion are the cultural differences around the world, not to mention the cultural differences between the modern world and the ancient world.
I know very few people who will respond to the guy who stand on the square in town shouting verses through a bull horn, but they would be happy to sit at my table for a meal, and if the subject of my faith is introduced, they’ll at least listen without judgment. Unless I pull out a bullhorn, of course. Or a big stick.
October 13, 2007 at 4:11 pm
we have linked to you but your blog should be reviled, rebuked and burnt to death. Your blog should suffer unending torment.
Go and beg forgiveness.
February 17, 2008 at 12:34 am
I accidently found my way to this blog and was astonished to see what’s going on in here. I am compelled to say to those who venture here, ” This blog/website is brought to you by the spirit of the anti-christ” also know that it is written that satan himself quoted scripture. Dont waste your energy arguing with demons..simply pull down every stronghold and bind them in the name of Jesus. There is no name, no power above the name of Jesus. There is so much good to do. There is no good fruit here and I feel maybe an inkling of what Jesus may have felt when he was hungry and looked for some good fruit on the fig tree and there was none..So I curse this blog/webpage that it wither at the root. For verily I say unto you That whoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he says shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he/she says. Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire,when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. Father God I stand forgiving anf I stand believing that not by might, not by power but by your SPIRIT, living GOD this mountain be removed. Thank you Father.
June 1, 2008 at 3:04 am
If I have learned anything in 48 years, it’s that the book in question “is not a religion”, merely a guide to a faith that works (see John, paul matthew luke etc.) or worked…. as refer to this many times. And conversely it’s suppose to foster one’s “faith, hope and charity …and of the “MOST IMPORTANT TEACHING” as stated by Jesus, himself …..was TOLERANCE.” look it up sometime… I live in USA and I ain’t braggin’ …get my drift… We have enough of a problem paying attention to a few simple documents…. chuckle… now you wanna give you a book to follow… interpreted by whom? I confess I believe in “GOD” but I ain’t going to convince anyone by throwing around my FAITH & BELIEFS. I someone asks me I tell them the same thing I’ve stated below.
Remember FANATISISM and RELIGIOSITY KILLS, there are centuries of war and destruction as proof. Entire civilization were wiped out, only to never heard from again. Can’t we just say to one another, “I don’t believe in what you do …but I will defend to my death you’re right to BELIEVE! …and be done with all this crap
July 6, 2008 at 8:15 pm
Oh how beautiful it is to see the hypocracy written right under our noses…WC love the blog. The rest of you kiddies, please, continue to argue about your imaginary friends, it entertains me completely.